Posts by Indian Larry

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need to talk/vent. wifey wt problems

by unstopableravens in

my wife ask me if im going to make up the assmebly, i reminder her that i in clean conscience can not go anymore,as soon as the word anymore came out the tears started flooding.

it hurts me to see her like this.

i talked to her calm trying to explain why i cant worship with doctrine that is so clearly wrong.

Indian Larry

Unstopable - I feel your pain. I am in exactly the same situation. My wife and daughter just got back from a weekend long circut assembly. I would say throw her a bone and go to the hall once in a while (maybe once every 2 -3 months) That works for me. I know it SUCKS when they start crying like that, but they really can not help it. It is mind control plain and simple.

If it is any consolation a few years ago I cornered one of my best friends when he was "fading". Literally bible in hand I tried my best to get him back in the org. He did not argue with me but he did not back down either. Time went by (several years) I finally was able to process some of the things I learned. Once I got to a certain point where I was not afraid to look at sites like this then the fade started in earnest.

Love her. Try to understand the psycology of what she is going through. Make sure she understands that you are not abandoning God just the men who claim to represent him.

Good luck.

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Let me get this straight about the FDS latest thinking

by wha happened? in

so the fds does not include the apostles.

what part of the gospels aren't food at the proper time?

or am i just mixed up on who the fds are..

Indian Larry

To me the scripture reads that the master appoints a slave to feed his domestics while he is gone. That fits with the first century bible writers being part of the "slave". The WTBTS says that Jesus returned in 1914 and THEN appointed them to feed his domestics in his absence in 1919. Like another poster wrote, where did he go in 1919? Who fed his domestics between the first and 20th centuries? It is such a mess, they really don't have a clue. I told my wife all of this and she says "we may not understand until paradise" UggggggghhhhhhH!

When I mentioned that Jesus was going to elevate them above all his belongings on heaven and earth, in effect placing the 8 GB members in charge of the angels that did get a rise out of her. She said the they never said that. I will have to research that carefully, be sure I am correct and then show it to her. That actually may be a chink in the armor.

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Circuit Assembly Highlights. Day 1

by DATA-DOG in

well things were actually pretty boring.

i mean really boring.

that's the price of fading i guess.

Indian Larry

Data-Dog, thanks for the notes on the Circut Assembly. My wife and daughter are at a two day this weekend and I appreciate learning what tactics the WTBTS is using so I can do my best to neutralize the damage as much as possible. Also so I don't do anything for the next few weeks that reminds them not to listen to me. It is like walking a tightrope. Ugggggh.

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Whats happened to Commentary Press

by BlindersOff1 in

is it planning to reprint rays books?.

Indian Larry

@RayPublisher - Yes it is a live person not a computer voice.

I do respect the copyright as well. I have actually ordered two hard copies off of Amazon just so that Cynthia does get her share of the funds. I am not really pro pirate bay execept in cases like this when there is no other option. The brother that took the time to read these books into his recording equipment did a good job and it is a benefit to anyone that hears it. I have posted on this before and on that post I did make sure to encourage those who download to also buy a hard copy to help out Cynthia.

For me it is not because I am blind that I like the audio format, it is because I like to listen when I am in the car. For many of us who still have spouses that are "in" that may be the only time you can really focus on a book like ISOCF. Another added bonus is all you need to do is rename the file and you will never get accidentally "found out"

I had a book entitled "questions to ask JW's", trying to stay under the radar I put the dust cover of another book over that one. My wife found it. Now she does not trust any question I ask her. Better to stay waaaaaay under the radar if you are trying to get a loved one out.

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Whats happened to Commentary Press

by BlindersOff1 in

is it planning to reprint rays books?.

Indian Larry

@oppostate - Sorry about the wrong link. This link is for the audio of both Crisis of Conscience and In Search of Christian Freedom.

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/7011688/RAYMOND.FRANZ.AUDIOBOOK.COLLECTION.(ENG).m4b.iPod

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Does anybody remember the CO by the name of Pedro Hines?

by Indian Larry in

he served the congregation i used to attend in the early '80's.

he was a piece of work.

he started the service meeting with this gem:.

Indian Larry

He served the congregation I used to attend in the early '80's. He was a piece of work.

He started the service meeting with this gem:

"this congregation is full of filth. The holy spirit is gone from this congregation"

you could have heard a pin drop. Then he proceeded to talk until 9:35 (back then the meeting should have concluded at 9:10) when he was done he just skipped the song and said "Let us pray". Was it just us or was he some kind of designated hitter for the WTS?

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Whats happened to Commentary Press

by BlindersOff1 in

is it planning to reprint rays books?.

Indian Larry

RayPublisher> It is not just sitting on his hard drive. Apparently he uploaded it to Pirate Bay. I have downloaded it to my iPhone and I have really enjoyed being able to listen to it. Fantastic book!

http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/4664154/Crisis_of_Conscience_-_Raymond_V._Franz_[2004]

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JW beliefs that are clearly not based on scripture

by JimmyPage in

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mustaches are okay, but beards are not.

suits and dresses are the only acceptable forms of clothing for worship.. .

how many times is the term "governing body" found in bible?

Indian Larry

They believe that Jesus was "resurrected" as a spirit. I do not believe this is biblical. Christ himself said that he was flesh and bones. If he was a spirit at that time then he was lying. Since he perfectly reflects God and God can not lie then I have to believe he was resurected.

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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

by Lady Lee in

thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

Indian Larry

I know of at least 5. One was my best friend as a child, and the other was the mother of one of my closest friends now. He called me when he looked through the window and saw her body inside. I came and helped open the door. She cut her wrists. She also left a rambling note about the "truth".

Very sad. They broke down this way

3 teenage males

1 early 30's male (fighting against homosexuality - great guy a real loss)

1 mid 40's female with 3 children

I know of another serious attempt by a sister who came very very close to dying after refusing a transfusion. Two years later she took 70 Xanex.

Sad.

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Help add to the list of things that convinced you Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs are flawed, that Governing Body are hypercritical, and deceiving >>>

by Butterflyleia85 in

sources to your claim will help with proof.... thanks.

these are a few i looked up and is just a rough note taking list so i didn't edit it and it's just done by basic looking through alot of articles and posts i've see:.

malawi-mexico contradiction... when a lot of the jehovah's witnesses were tortured and killed because the governing body forbade them to buy a card whereas the mexicans were allowed too.the real reason for the "donation arrangement"... property the wts owns in brooklyn heights alone would generate almost $10,000,000 (yes, ten million) in tax money each year for the city of new york-- that is if they had to pay taxes on it.

Indian Larry

The WTS say that the elders are appointed by Holy Spirit, yet there is proof that certain elders were pedophiles WHEN they were appointed. Did the HS appoint them? I don't think so.

Another thing that bothers me is the constant self aggrandisement that the GB prints in almost every WT.

Faithful and Discreet? That is a joke.